Nathan, I completely agree, testing as currently consituted is evil. And the main problem with schools is lack of money.

But there is something real addressed by the testing movement. There does need to be someway to measure whether schools are doing a decent job or not. Any thoughts on what a reasonable way to do this is?

Gar, how about low-stakes testing? Have the tests, and by all means take a close look at low-performing schools, but base decisions on the close look and not just on the raw statistics.

This only works if the people at the local level have the political will to fire incompetent principals, weed out poor teachers, and change teaching methods that aren't working, but that's true of any solution. The perniciousness of "high-stakes testing" is that it pretends you can solve the educational system's problems from the top with some sort of simple mandate, which is absurd.

American cultures glorifies stupidity, and nowhere is that more apparent than in schools,
with the endless resources and attention
lavished on brain-dead illiterate athletes, while students with intellectual abilities are demeaned as nerds and geeks. Testing won't change that, as school administrators will find ways to manipulate the system.

Given that private schools aren't forced to keep poor and/or problem students, the unfairness of closing public schools with poor test results that do have to admit every student is plain to see.

Although I do agree that perhaps No Child Left Behind is choosing severe methods of "helping" I think sometimes bad kids need to be weeded out of schools, and I say this from personal experience.

My former NYC public high school (name I will not mention) was an excellent school with a good reputation and a number of different kinds of people that got along very well. Suddenly the schools with the worst reputations began shutting down and my school began accepting these children that would bad-mouth students and adults alike (often saying racist and dispicable things). Kids like these didn't want to learn so I don't see why they should be left in my former school to influence other incoming students.

So I'm not the only person that knows of that movie. I enjoyed it quite a bit (and actually picked it up on DVD a while back, as it was on sale for like 9 bucks).

GA, that's most likely a problem with the school system too...those students probably had far less access to decent teachers/schools in elementary grades. If you don't develop good habits early on, you most likely never will.

I am currently a student at Presque Isle High School in northern Maine. I hadn't really given much thought to this whole education mandate until recently. I had never thought i would be affected by it, since my graduating class got out of all the new regulations and tests. However, since the class below me has to take more required class, there are less electives for me to take. In a few years i don't want to be taking "elective physical education" or "human anatomy" to fill up my schedual. i want to take classes that i will care about, that will make me want to go to school. Also, there is no point in trying to make everyone's level of education equal, because it's not possible. They are expecting everyone to pass Algebra? That's a bit unrealistic to me. Some students will have to take it 2-3 times before they pass it...and by that time, they won't even care. A lot of the classes that i would be able to take in high school before college i will have to now take in college, which upsets me because i would have had the chance to take it in high school, but now i have to take time out of my college to take beginners classes and pay for them, which will make it all the more expensive.

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