Now that is racism ;)

The comparison of Mecha to Nazism is revolting. Especially since Nazism might be an issues in the race for Question 2. Arnold supportored Kurt Weildhem in 1986 and this year after the recall started donated thousands to the Weizenthal center. I am not saying the Weizenthal center's director got on TV to throw out the Nazi question early because of the donation, but it does cause one to question.

That is all clear cut and scary.

From the article:

"Bustamante casually referred to an African-American labor organization as the “Nigger” labor organization, using the evil “N” word and continuing obliviously with his speech for another 10 minutes while up to 100 outraged listeners rose and left the room."

Jeez, if that's not thoroughly racist, it indicates some pretty amazing stupidity, ignorance and insensitivity. No one, least of all an elected politician giving a public speech, uses the "N" word casually, without knowing its significance. That cannot be chalked up to a slip of the tongue. A definite Freudian slip, imho.

I did a quick search, and while USA Today confirms that Bustamante said it, it doesn't agree that he was "oblivious": "Realizing the mistake, he quickly apologized to his stunned audience. 'If you heard what I think I heard, I want you to know it wasn't me,' he said, a bit nonplussed. 'It's not the way I was raised, it's not the way I was taught, it's not the way I raised my children and it's not what's in my heart.'" Absent some evidence that his record reflects hatred of blacks, I'd be willing to take his apology at face value.

The basic fact that he even said it, albeit accidentally or unintentionally, still reveals some sort of familiarity with the word on a conscious or sub-conscious level, and some experience using it openly. If Bustamante had used the word "loquacious" or "jingoistic," it's a sure bet he's familiar with them from past use and experience. THe point is, words don't pop into a speaker's head out of the clear blue sky. Familiarity breeds habit, and habit breeds carelessness. It's the same thing as when Trent Lott dropped his guard and praised Strom Thurmond.

I'm familiar with "loquacious," but I couldn't tell you the last time I spoke/wrote the word. Really, it's a little silly to say that simply because a person says a word once, they must say it frequently - and in this case, with malice.

As far as the comparison to Trent Lott goes - whatever. Why not go all the way and compare him to Hitler?

Alan-- If Trent Lott had, in the same speech, caught his mistake and said, "of course, I don't mean to praise Thurmond's opposition to segregation in that campaign-- that was reprehensible-- I just meant to say that if the Strom Thurmond I know today had been in charge of Washington, things would be better"-- the whole thing would have been a minor story.

But Lott didn't even admit he had to make an apology for over a week, and then did so grudgingly, and now has essentially retracted his apology and said he did nothing wrong.

Quite a bit different from a one-word slip-- and yes, it's freudian and existences throughout our society, where racism of all kinds exist. And yes, I bet that as a poor kid, Bustamante messed it up with black kids on the street and used the word occasionally. So it existed in the back of his mind, but that hardly means it reflects his conscious politics or views.

Frankly, I care far less about the fact that most educated folks avoid using the obvious racist words. Look at their policy actions for the real racism in their soul.

Gentlemen, it's been fun.

Drew, if you look at my post carefully, it's clear I wasn't comparing Bustamante to Lott in terms of character or personality; only the fact that they both got caught saying things they shouldn't have.

Two samples of far right conspiranoia on "reconquista."

http://www.americanpatrol.org/FEATURES/010403CHINACONNECTION/FeatureCubaChina010403.html if that breaks up,
http://tinyurl.com/jtz3

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rayelan/message/326
From: rumills@r...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 7:11 pm
Subject: WHITES GET OUT -- THIS IS ARE LAND (FROM ALA FLYER)
The following email contains a link to a webpage that has a picture of a
flyer. The flyer was found in a parking lot in California.

The flyer was distributed by the Aztlan Liberation Army (ALA) --- known in
the United States as La Raza.

The Aztlan Liberation Army is a Communist Army funded by the Communist
Chinese and Cuba.

They are trained in Mexico by Cubans and Chinese, with a few expatriot
Russians and Sandenistas thrown in for flavor.

Their purpose is to declare war on the United States of America and take back
the lands that the United States stole from Mexico in 1848.

The Aztlan Liberation Army has millions of sympathetic supporters and/or
soldiers in the United States, willing, ready and waiting to assist the
Aztlan Liberation Army (ALA) in killing the white pigs and reclaiming what
is rightfully theirs.... CALIFORNIA, NEVADA, ARIZONA AND NEW MEXICO.

The soldiers of the ALA are dedicated and well trained.

Some ALA soldiers have been sent to North Africa where they have been
trained in the terrorist schools that have trained Islamic terrorists. They
have learned how to bomb cars, government buildings, assassinate goverment
leaders, torture and interrogate prisoners. They have learned how to buy
nuclear and biological weapons on the black market.

Other ALA soldiers have been sent to Harvard business school where they have
been trained in the American way of business. Once they have earned their
MBA's they are then sent to school in Cuba to learn how to import drugs into
the United States, launder the money through off shore banks and Panama, and
invest the laundered money into legitimate businesses in the United States
that are owned by ALA soldiers and/or sympathizers.

Other ALA soldiers are sent to Law School, trained in fund raising, legal and
illegal; taught how to elect Latinos who will make laws that benefit
Mexicans, both legal and illegal.

The soldiers and sympathizers of the ALA truly believe that they will be able
to take back the land the United States stole from their ancestors. They are
dedicated and fearless fighters. However, what they have not been told by
their Cuban and Chinese teachers, is that the ALA is merely the cannon fodder
for a much larger plan.

The Chinese are using the ALA and the Cubans. They could care less about
Mexican or Latino rights. The Chinese want to eliminate their number one
enemy... the United States. With the United States in ruins due to nuclear
and biological attacks by the ALA, the Chinese can have their way in the
western hemisphere.

Once the United States is in ruins, the soldiers of the ALA will no longer be
needed. At this time, all Mexicans and Cubans will be reclassified and put
into the same slave labor camps where the remaining whites have been sent.

The Communist Chinese do not plan to share power with the Mexicans. They
plan to use them to accomplish Chinese domination of the Western Hemisphere.
When this is accomplished, the ALA will be disbanded, killed or enslaved.

The Chinese and the Russians have agreed to split up the world into two
parts. Once the United States is destroyed, there will only be two super
powers.

Where does the New World Order fit in this scenario?

As long as the NWO controls the financial world, they will control everything
that is important to them. The Communists may think that they are in control,
but they have been duped and used by the NWO Slave Masters, just as the
Chinese used the Aztlan Liberation Army.

What goes around comes around.

However... the Aztlan Liberation Army is getting ready to invade the United
States. At the moment, there is an army being trained to wreak chaos and
terror on the streets of America.

Last month, former CIA Director, Stansfield Turner was in Costa Rica. It has
been reported that he was there on a secret mission. Military equipment, from
the United States was discovered in Costa Rica. Is the United States going to
assist the ALA in the invasion of the United States? Or is the United States
Military setting up a base in order to moniter the ALA?

A few days ago the bodies of two college girls were found in Costa Rica. One
of the young women was shot in the head, assassination style. They were found
partially disrobed, as if someone wanted their deaths to look like rape.

One of the young women was in Costa Rica as part of a photography project.
Was she killed because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time? Did she
take pictures that showed things that were supposed to remain secret?

It appears as if there are things going on in Mexico and Central America that
are not being reported in the media.

When the wars in Mexico, Central America and the border states, finally break
out, just remember that you read it first in Rumor Mill News.

--
Michael Pugliese

Mecha Saying :

For the race -- everything. Outside of the race -- nothing
Now imagine if it said this:
For the white race --everything. Outside of the white race -- nothing.
Tell me that is not absolute racism.

Or take this:
Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people
whose time has come and who struggles against the African negro or the
Jew who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in
our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our
White nation. We are a White people with a White culture. Before the
world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the
White continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free peoples, we
are the South.
This is an exact rewording of whats in their charter, the only thing changed is the word white for bronze and black and jew for gringo.

This is indistinguishable from Aryan philosophy. It's just espoused by non whites.

Now let's take what MeCha believes. They think that the Southwest US is Astlan and belongs to them. Astlan is the mythic, imaginery founding place of the Aztecs and Mecha believes it is their right to retake the Southern states from the gringos by whatever means necessary.
Now that sounds preposterous on its surface.
But now consider what's happening in California now. Bustamante wants to give illegal aliens, mexicans by the way, or chicanos as per Mecha, drivers licenses, dual citizenship, medical benefits, schooling all without Mexicans becoming citizens. He thinks there should be no restriction on illegal immigration and millions are streaming in. Suddenly it doesn't sound quite so preposterous does it. The chicanos are rapidly overpopulating California and the other states. Why whould they even need to use guns when they have Bustamante to do the work for them. An open border means that they don't have to use force to gain control, they just have to march in and California has to pay for it with their taxes.
Californians beware.
Read the list above with all of the businesses that mention Aztlan and then recognize what's happening. This is, so far, a bloodless landgrab from militants who believe that California and the other sw states belong to them. If California is not careful it will.

Found this message:

Just to give you an idea... this is a yellow page search for a 20 mile area around me for businesses call "Aztlan" (think if it were "Aryan")
Aztlan Automatic Transmission
Aztlan Boxing Team
Premiere Aztlan
Aztlan Family Clinic
Aztlan Gallery
Aztlan Pallets
Aztlan Transmission Ctr
Aztlan Truck School
Aztlan Imports
Aztlan Logistics Inc
Aztlan Community Svc
Aztlan Bicycle Inc

Think about it. Aztlan is a mythical place, but Mechas believe that Aztlan belongs to them. Aztlan is california and Texas etc. Now if Mecha is not espousing the idea that gringos stole Aztlan from Mexicans (which is an outright falsity) then why are businesses springing up everywhere with the name Aztlan.

Hey J-- Your little racist transposition ignores the fact that many latinos classify themselves as white. The issue is not race but nationality-- there sense of having been invaded.

The very focus on "mestizo"-- meaning mixed race -- highlights that MEChA isn't talking about your racist categories.

The main illegal immigration into California was done with guns back in the 19th century by the US. That is the "landgrab" that you pointedly ignore.

Nathan,

Since you seem to be so knowledgable on the subject, can you please explain for everyone the legal basis for the Mexican claim to "owning" California. Is it by date of the first Mexican citizen to settle there? Or is a legal claim established by the first person of any nation to discover and set foot on the land? Is it by right of conquest? I'm assuming you're an expert on this topic - it should be easy, no? My guess is you won't try to articulate Mexico's claim, because it's far easier to simply attack your questioners as "rightwingers" or "racists".