Anyone know why the caucus votes went through a server in Atlanta?
Some are starting to think this is another BBV issue.
Interesting how those sudden last minute surges paralell 2002, and some of the odd numbers in Ca.

Cosmic, I'm worried about Black Box voting, and have gotten over 50 people to send letters to support H.2239.

That said, no way no how was this a case of voter fraud.

I watched some of the Iowa causus on CSPAN last night. The supporters are all counted by hand. The chairperson then calculates, in front of "precinct captains" (= lead supporters from the various campaigns), how many delegates (to the country conventions) each candidate gets. Then, in front of the campaign representatives, he phones in the results.

Meanwhile, it is standard procedure for these precinct captains to phone in their numbers to the campaign headquarters, who surely are tabulating the resuls.

Any discrepancy would thus be immediately caught.

BBV can steal votes in a primary system or a general election, but the caucus system appears to be fraud-proof.

Dean is probably done. The voters turned on him, and I expect they'll do the same in different states for the same reason.

As has been said, the value of grassroots has been very overrated by many. Not that it's not important, but it's far behind candidate personality and message to a *wide* range of voters. Dean evidently lagged in those.

This is even slimier than Kerry's infamous "Osama" TV ad that called Bush better than Dean! I thought that only Republicans like Karl Rove did this sort of evil garbage!

Pass it on! The people in New Hampshire have a right to know who's trying to play them!

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/ThisWeek/Kerry_Dean_calls_040117-1.html

ABCNEWS.com

Jan. 17— After a wave of nastiness, the major Democratic presidential candidates in Iowa — locked in a dead heat — are now trying to project positivity and accuse their opponents of the opposite.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., today accused Rep. Richard Gephardt, D-Mo., and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean of continuing to wage negative campaigns. "It's obvious that my campaign is moving because two of the major candidates have chosen in the last two days to engage in a smear effort on my farm policy here in America," Kerry said.

Caught on Tape

But two nights ago, Cornell College psychology professor Suzette Astley, a Dean volunteer in Lisbon, Iowa, received a phone call from a Kerry's Cedar Rapids headquarters — in which, she says, a Kerry volunteer had some less than kind things to say about Dean regarding his foreign policy experience, being from a largely white state, and so-called "environmental racism."

Since a documentary filmmaker was staying with Astley, the exchange, which has been confirmed by the Kerry campaign, was caught on videotape.

"Does your candidate know that you're saying these kinds of things, unsubstantiated claims on the phone representing Sen. Kerry?" Astley asked 19-year-old volunteer, Jacob Thomas, on the tape, a copy of which was obtained by ABCNEWS.

Soon, she asked to speak with Kerry's regional field supervisor, with whom she launched a complaint.

"I am just really offended by the call I got tonight," she said. "The person who was talking to me was taking things out of context, repeating unsubstantiated reports to me, and I find that really offensive."

[...]

... the Dean campaign said it was under the impression that the call did not represent just one over-zealous volunteer speaking extemporaneously. Rather, the campaign said in the last day it had heard of Kerry campaign calls to at least five other Iowans reading from what it said sounded like a very similar script.

Dean campaign spokesman Jay Carson slammed Kerry for claiming to run a positive campaign while letting others do his dirty work. ABCNEWS has spoken to another Iowa Dean supporter, Susan Alexander, who said she received a phone call on the same night as Astley, which sounded like it came from the same script.

Push Poll?

A third Iowan, Dick Alexander, told ABCNEWS he received a phone call about two weeks ago from an organization claiming to be a polling firm unaffiliated with any candidate, in which pro-Kerry and anti-Dean information was conveyed.

The Alexander call, should it have happened, would meet the definition of a "push poll" — a call purportedly from an objective polling firm that actually seeks to "push" voters away from candidates by spreading negative information about them.

I am sure that the Dean campaign has many more 19 y/o volunteers making baseless claims than the Kerry campaign. I strongly dislike Kerry but to criticize him for something a 19 y/o volunteer said is ridiculously biased.

Also I agree with jacko2 that Dean is dead although I think this for different reasons. That "yaaaaa" really did him in.

Couldn't have anything to do with media bias now could it folks?

Why does the media like Kerry and not Dead?

Hmmmmmm?

Another reason people should give him a better look. An outsider the higher ups resort to defaming at every chance promises more changes than a fellow bonesman.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archive_skull_and_bones.html